N.T. Wright and Anne Rice

Fascinating conversation with N.T. Wright and Anne Rice. Strange combination.

American Gospel

I’ve been listening to American Gospel by John Meacham and thoroughly enjoying it.

He makes the case that the relationship between church and state, religion and politics, and Christianity and the faith of the Founding Fathers is like most things in history: more complex and nuanced than most people want to believe.

He contends that the idea that America was founded as a Christian nation is actually a work of revisionist history by some conservative evangelicals who want to take back the country for God.

The Founding Fathers were aware of the the problems caused by state-run churches and vice versa and they sought to chart a middle way. The state and church were to be separate, but in no way could they be kept from influencing one another. In a Republic, the religious convictions of the people will always have political implications. In its initial conception, the separation of church and state was designed to protect religion from politics, not politics from religion.

The “God/Creator” spoken of in the foundational documents is a generic one, not necessarily the God of Abraham, Isasc, Jacob, and Jesus. This kept the religious tent broad enough to include those with a variety of religious beliefs and convictions.

One of the most interesting details so far is Article 11 from the Treaty with Tripoli (1796):

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

Article 11 seems to be saying that America was not intended to be a “Christian nation.” It was approved by John Adams. It has also been contested and debated ad nauseam.

American Gospel, Church and State

Leave a Hole

I’m memorizing this response from Patrick Mead. It’ll come in handy some day I’m sure.


A couple was furious with our church. We had gone to see what happened to them after someone noticed they’d been gone from our worship assembly for some time. “We aren’t coming back,” the husband said. “That is an unloving, cold church that claims to care about people but doesn’t.” I asked him on what basis he made that judgment and he replied, “We were gone four weeks from that church before anyone there even noticed. What kind of church doesn’t even notice something like that?”

I replied, “What kind of person are you, that you could be gone for four weeks and the no one in the church could tell?” They were shocked by this ‘attack’ so I pressed on. “What work suffered because you stopped your ministry? What mission work ground to a halt because you withdrew your funding, prayers and support? Could it be — just imagine with me a moment — could it be that you never really were a part of the church? Could that be why your departure was unnoticed?”

The Shaping of Things to Come

Our staff is going to start working through The Shaping of Things to Come. I’ve seen lots of links to it and heard lots of recommendations. I’m over halfway through it and I’m loving it. I have no idea if any of the stuff it talks about is actually doable by a congregation built on and nourished by attractional Christianity, but it’s fun to dream.

Digging Out

We’re back in T-Town and we’re digging out from under all the stuff that piles up after a two-week vacation.

There are weeds to pull, clothes to wash, letters to open, emails to send, groceries to buy, calls to make, and most important–saved episodes of 24, Lost, and Prison Break to watch.

I’ll be in the office tomorrow. Today is for getting my house in order.

I know I promised to tell a couple of stories about the trip and I will, but I have to warn you, the longer I hold off on writing them down, the more entertaining (at least in my mind) and therefore the less true they are becoming.